EP 6 - Unlocking Your Infinite Potential in the Space Between Thoughts with David Hulse

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Ever wondered if what feels like a breakdown might actually be a breakthrough in disguise? In this week’s episode, Aimee sits down with David Hulse, a spiritual guide who bridges traditional religious doctrines with contemporary spiritual insights. 

They explore how to turn your darkest moments into your greatest awakenings by shifting from "spirit" to "energy" consciousness. 

David takes us through:

- The science and spirituality behind frequency and vibration

- Why nervous system disruptions might signal spiritual evolution, not illness

- How 5th-dimensional energy impacts your physical body through the nervous system

- Why your etheric blueprint is the cause, and your body is the effect

- The difference between "I am [label]" and infinite "I am" consciousness

- Practical ways to integrate frequency healing into daily life

And so much more!

David Hulse is a vibrant spiritual guide who bridges traditional doctrines with contemporary spiritual insights. David has decades of experience as a minister, teacher, author, and healer, and has journeyed from a fundamentalist Christian upbringing to an inclusive spiritual vista that champions love over fear.

In his earlier years, David's spiritual awakening was ignited by a profound spiritual encounter that led him to reexamine his inherited beliefs and recognize the divine as truths veiled in parables, not confined to literal interpretations. This "cellular awakening" revealed the potential intelligence in human cells, redefining his perception of divinity and humanity's interconnectedness. 

David is the Founder and Spiritual Guide at the Academy for Spiritual Awakening where his teachings weave together diverse spiritual traditions with modern scientific insights, inspiring individuals to move beyond mere belief in God toward experiencing the divine within themselves.

He integrates wisdom from spiritual avatars across ages, emphasizing the co-creative, transformative power of aligning with divine consciousness through prayer, meditation, and contemplation. Dedicated to challenging conventional religious dogmas, David offers a message of unconditional love, inclusivity, the power of gnosis: direct knowledge from Source.

David’s teachings uniquely "bridge the gap" between a 3D material world and a 5D spiritual awakening, guiding individuals on a transformative journey toward higher consciousness. He calls upon light workers to embrace their roles as co-creators in this shift, helping humanity transcend the limitations of the 3D matrix. David empowers your listeners to embody their true spiritual potential, fostering a global spiritual evolution.

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A: Hey there, listener, have you ever been through a heavy, dark time in your life? Have you heard the term nervous breakdown and wondered, am I having one of those? Today I'm going to be talking with David Hulse, a vibrant spiritual guide who bridges the traditional doctrines with contemporary spiritual insights. 

We're going to be exploring what can turn a breakdown into a breakthrough and what it's like to start changing the religious conversation from talking about spiritualism or spirit to talking about energy. So if you've been wondering how you're going to get out of that dark hole that you may have been in over this winter, stay tuned. 

A: Every day there is a forgetting, and every moment there is the possibility of remembering. Remembering who you truly are, awakening to your body, to the inner world, to the experience of being alive. Here is where you find the beauty, the joy, and here is where you free your Soma. I'm your host, Aimee Takaya. I'm here to help you move from pain to power, from tension to expansion, and ultimately from fear to love. 

A: Hi David. Nice to finally meet you. 

D: Hello Aimee, thank you. Thank you for having me today. I'm looking forward to our time together and our conversation. 

A: Absolutely, yes. You know, I was looking over the different subjects that you explore, and there really is a wide range of things that you're able to talk about in great depth because of the background that you have and the life experiences that you've gone through and just the years working with people. So I'm really excited to see the range that shows up in this kind of natural conversation between the two of us. 

I usually start with a question to kind of invite you to dig in and see where this goes. And on the subject of a nervous breakdown, which is sort of like a pinnacle, it's like the mountaintop that one might reach, but there's lots of heaviness on the way there or lots of anxiety or however it's showing up for a person. What would you say to somebody who's in the middle of that who's having their so-called dark night of the soul and they feel like they don't see the end in sight. They don't know when this phase is going to end, right? What would you say to someone who's in the middle of it? 

D: Okay, well, I would say to them, lift your consciousness to see this from a higher state of consciousness that we would call, I guess, a spiritual point of view. You got to see it from the higher self. 

The higher self sees all of this differently than our everyday mental consciousness sees it. You mentioned something a while ago that was very important. It was one of my twists on my path. And that had to do with, do you want to work with what's breaking down and fix it? Or do you want to work with what's breaking through? 

Now, I didn't get that intellectually at all at that minute at the time, but something kind of out of the cellular memory of my being said I choose to work with what's breaking through. So that's what I've been doing for a lot of years is trying to realize that all we need to do is remove some of these blockages of where we've gotten stuck in our religious influences, political, all of the 3D systems has kind of brought us to an end in itself of what it can give us. 

So it's kind of imploding on itself and it's in a breakdown position. So we're living. Now, what I want to appeal to the listener out there for them to really feel, not think about what I'm getting ready to say, but I want them to feel like, have I chosen to be here at this time? Am I just an accident between my mother and dad coming together and creating a body for me? 

I think there's people out there in these podcasts like yours who need to understand that what is happening to them, whether we perceive it good or bad is spiritual. It's all about our evolution. It's all about getting us to the next level. So going back to break through, you have to realize the first thing that you're going to feel as new energy. I call it fifth dimensional energy. 

And that's just a number for communication. But if you look at three dimensional time space, as Einstein talked about, we would 5D kind of as the next dimension that's coming into us. And 5D represents to me photon information or data that is trying to come in from 5D. 

And I hope we can talk about that a little bit later because I think that's the only way that we can navigate ourselves through this time of living through breakdown is to be able to have that higher vision of our purpose for being here at this particular time. But when this new energy, this new dimension gets into your field, you know, we're talking to people who probably meditate, people who contemplate, people who are in spiritual type of modalities and whatever who are open. 

They're open, open themselves to the next thing that's getting ready to happen on the planet. Well, the first place that you're going to experience that is in the nervous system. That's the first thing that is going to happen. It's going to happen there because it's the highway where everything is connected visually and into the body. Everything is connected by the nervous system. It's the carrier of information to every cell and every organ of our body. So a lot of people who are beginning to experience that begin to experience as such changes as sleeping patterns. 

None of the old things work. Eight hours of sleep, eat three times a day. All of that gets disrupted as the nervous system is restructuring itself to fit the new energy that is coming in. So that's a time in which we can perceive it as a time of what's wrong with me. The things I'm familiar with is not happening to me. It's kind of a new territory. Right. 

A: Yeah, the reverse word I think of is kind of like disorientation a bit. I have a mentor who describes it as the zone of incomprehensibility. We can't really feel like all the things that we're used to are kind of shifting quickly and we're starting to feel very unstable and that can show up in, like you said, judgments that we're having about ourselves or about the way that our life is going because things are shifting in a way that we're not able to predict like the next thing. Right. 

D: Exactly. Exactly. But I know for me, since I've kind of in this level of teachings that we're talking about now, that my sleep patterns changed. I thought, oh my God, I've got insomnia. 

What's wrong with me? My eating changed. Things that I wanted. 

I don't want anymore. And the first thing that comes to you from your more human ego mind, I guess you could call it is what something's wrong with you because we think all changes, something's wrong with us. And actually, it's the best thing that could be happening to people right now. 

So we've got to change their perception about what is happening to them. And the thing that I love about you and your title is bringing it into the Soma level because I think, as I told you earlier, I think we bypassed the body long enough. You know, the within me message was very important from an old man out in the sky to a presence within ourself was a very important step, but we can't get stuck there either because what we've discovered in ourself is becoming us all the way to the cellular level. And that's why you're feeling it in the nervous system. You're feeling it in your body symptoms. I know so many people, including myself, that gets a symptom. 

And when I react to it, I run to the doctor, the doctor takes the test, they're fine and they can't diagnose me anymore because they don't know how to energetically diagnose you. That's what every doctor needs when they put us in those little rooms and leave us for 20 minutes with nothing. When it'd be nice to have a practitioner come in with say, in my case, tuning forks, but with something energetically rekey or something like that and literally energetically diagnosed the patient before he comes in. 

You know, Aimee, one thing that I love is about every doctor I go to, medical doctor I go to has a tuning fork sitting there. If everybody will notice there's a tuning fork in the room and it's a 128 Hertz tuning fork that is given to them in medical school to test such things as neuropathy on the feed or numbness or whatever. And I love picking that up and saying, you know, I'm $20 million grant went in to study this tuning fork to prove that it spikes nitric oxide in the body. 

Wow. So they don't even know what they have sometimes, but and what they could do if they would really look at things more from an energetic level than just a Western, more medical idea. Right. So yes, people are feeling this. It's intensified. We are coming closer and closer to the fulfillment of our simulated 3D world that has kind of run out of things for those who are growing and maturing. And I think we've got to look elsewhere to find our information from a higher state of consciousness. 

A: Fascinating. Wow. I did not know that about the tuning forks, but it reminds me of kind of something we were chatting about earlier before we got, you know, to recording, which is that at these like lower rungs of education, and you could say like lower rungs of consciousness, we've been taught that science and religion are somehow opposite each other, you know, or that it's not evidence based to talk about energetic things or to talk about sound healing or tuning forks. 

Right. But the higher and higher you go in academia, the more learning and learning that you get to when you get to things like quantum physics, it actually starts to overlap massively. And, you know, the mystery of like what we don't know yet. And also looking at it as like, Oh, there's all these very felt experiential things that we go through as human beings that are now through the model of scientific research, beginning to start being able to be explained through science, right? 

Not the other way around, not the other way where we like need science to prove the things. It's like, no, science is catching up to what we experience and the incredible mechanisms of our bodies and our energy bodies. Science is just barely starting to understand what our physical bodies know at a deep energetic level. 

Right. And so the tuning forks example was like a perfect example of that. Here are all these doctors and, you know, some of them might like scoff at integrative medicine or sound healing, but little do they know in their office, a tool they were given was heavily researched to see that, Oh, this sound or this vibration, as you said, has a very literal physical effect on a body. And you're going to use that in your practice for a specific thing. 

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D: Right, right. You know, a part of the Soma, which is a Greek word. And of course, my background in theology, I learned Greek in the New Testament because nobody spoke English in the Bible. Christians need to realize that. Nobody spoke English. 

What did they say? And you'll never know until you go back into Hebrew and to Greek and Aramaic also is very important. But this word Soma doesn't cover just what my senses see as a physical body, but there's a part of my physiology that does not see, call my etheric body or my etheric blueprint. And that is where cause is. Body is just the effect. Oh, wow. 

A: Yeah. Say that again for everyone. 

D: Yeah. The etheric blueprint. Let me tell you about the etheric blueprint is made out of the higher energy bodies coalescing into a blueprint. Off your crown, what we call the crown shock or the crown energy spins off into a cathartic body. Now that cathartic body is what holds your blueprint as being created whole. See, we're already created whole. 

That's already done. We got to stop coming from I don't have it. I need to get it till I have it. 

And I've forgotten and I need to remember it. So we're moving from linear to vertical. Yeah. That's what the cross means. It means coming to a crossroads in consciousness in which you're no longer in this level, but now quantum physics is showing this and anything that ever was or could be is now in this moment. 

So we've got to get to that place. But then you have the causal, the mental, the emotional, the astral, all of those coalesce into an etheric blueprint that cells read as they replicate themselves. I heard Deepak Chopra many, many years ago, I read in a book that the liver makes itself every six weeks. 

That was a tough one because I thought my liver is as old as I am. But actually it's making itself constantly because cells are dying and replicating even as we're sitting here talking to you. And hundreds of thousands of cells will die and whatever. So somebody said to me, well, if that's true, and I had a cancer, say, of the liver, why would I have cancer six weeks later if the liver has made itself again? 

Because you didn't change the blueprint that caused the cancer. So in my training of some energetics, I taught people how to use tuning forks in the etheric body, which is the body of cause. And we know that things in the etheric body, such as unresolved issues, whether it's past lives or whatever your belief is of your past. But what has not been balanced and aligned to your true authentic self ends up dissonant. 

So with tuning forks, I'm looking for the dissent in the etheric body. And then we change it because here's what we know, Amy, that's so exciting. We know this now that all diseases and illnesses are 10 months to a year in the etheric body before they become physical. So if we can change the etheric cause, we can have a different outcome. In the physical body. So what I'm saying to you that the etheric body is a part of our physiology. It is. It's just beyond our sensory perception. 

A: Beyond our sensory perception. That's a great way to put it. I'm thinking of like, you know, that kind of classic book, How to Heal Your World Life with Louise Hay, where she talks about, you know, the causes and how a lot of them are, as you said, like emotional and mental constructs. Right. But I want to take it a step further and say that they are also a sense that we have. It's not a knowing. It's not a it's not like we are aware of it. 

A lot of 99% of it, I think is unconscious until we have an illness, till we have pain somewhere in our body. Right. That's the point where it's already gotten to, you know, an extreme level where we can measure it in this 3D consciousness. Right. But what you're speaking to is that this is already going on, like you said, 10 months to a year prior. Right. 

And then if you can think about people who spend a lot of their time in a certain consciousness, like say the consciousness of bitterness and anger or resentment, right, they're spending a lot of their time and it's in their causal body that there's this constriction of, you know, feeling like they're not supported or feeling like people aren't respecting them or whatever it kind of intellectually like gets described as. It's also a sense. It's a feeling that they're having. It's a physical thing. 

They're, you know, what does it feel like to feel resentful in your body? It's a feeling, right, along with certain kinds of thoughts, certain kinds of emotions. And all of that is, as you said, over time, going to have an impact on our physical body and changing the way that we are sensing and perceiving ourselves and other people has a massive shift on every other level of like our state of being, including our physical body. You know, kind of reverberates. Yes, that's a great word. 

D: It's like dropping a pebble into a pond and it rippling out, you know, way beyond the space that it actually hit. And that's what's happening right now. There's a rippling out of this energy with new vibrations and frequencies that has not been part of the so-called third dimensional norm. So everything that's happening to us doesn't feel normal to us in the beginning when we're in our reactive mind, because we've adapted. We've adapted to a lot of lack in our life. And you know, religion has been there to support that idea that you can't really have peace or health or anything in this world of sin. You have to wait until you die and go to heaven. 

And then you can have all of this. And that is not at all what is taught in the true. I teach a lot on the Nag Hammond lost books of the Bible. And if you really get into those before man tampered with all of this, you'll see a whole different teaching completely that is more in line with what we're talking about now, even though that was 2000 years ago in the first and second century before religion became institutionalized and centralized and dogmatized to be this and everything else is its heretic. 

I'm proud to be a heretic in that way of perception, because I think that we're coming back to a powerful time of remembering a lot of what we have forgotten because it's not been awakened in our consciousness through these systems of education, religion, or any other system has really not kept us informed of truly who we are until we have laid with this pseudo self, the person we think we are, which is a bunch of labels that have been put on us. 

And you've got to peel those labels away. You got to realize I did a teaching this Sunday, my spiritual center here on the power of the I am, the I am the term I am. And I was talking about how right now across town, there's a group saying I am an alcoholic. There's another group over here saying I'm a born again Christian. There's a group over here saying I'm a Democrat. I'm a Republican. I'm an atheist, but they all only heard the label. They didn't hear that they all came from the very same point in consciousness. I am. 

And you know what, Amy, if we could stop the labels and all just come into a collective I am, we could totally wake up out of the illusion of separation and of this 3D world. Wow. 

A: Yeah. You know, I think of it as like when you just say I am, there's possibility. There's endless possibility. And there's so much that you could orient to at any moment, right? That you could meet the moment of whatever's happening with your full presence and awareness. When you start to really funnel all of that presence and awareness into, as you say, a label or as a thing that you are, now you're incredibly limited. You've just limited your perception. You've just limited the people. 

You know, you've drawn lines in the sand between who you can relate to and who you can't. And I think that a lot of us, we want to live in, be more limitless as human beings, right? But, you know, what do you think it is about, you know, humans that at the same time as we might want to be limited? Why is it we choose to limit ourselves? Why is it we make ourselves smaller? 

D: Well, I think we're still under such a powerful morphogenic of consciousness that reminds us every day of who we are not, but who we think we are. I think the system supports that. It supports separation. It supports lack. 

It supports need. And I'm just so excited that, and I've been in this a long time and I've been pretty alone out there 30 years ago or so. But now it's just breaking through everywhere. 

You know, it's coming out everywhere. More about our authenticity and who we truly are. Some call it the divine self. Some call it Christ consciousness. Whatever you choose to call it, it doesn't matter, but we are discovering ourselves and as we do that, I think we're going to awaken one of the greatest spiritual so-called tools that we have. And that's our intuition. 

We need right now to be extremely intuitive about what we're qualifying as our beliefs, as our realities. And I think that this is something that all of us need to really be empowering people with is the ability. 

I love this idea in quantum physics of the silent observer. That has helped me so much. I'll have a group sometime, just close their eyes and visualize a red apple or something like that. 

Then I ask them, who's looking at the apple? You know, and I think once we get out of the perception of ourselves as we've been made from the outside and start observing ourselves from the inside out, we begin to see areas of ourself that need to be realigned, need to be balanced and tuned. I like this tuned idea. You know, you can do that through crystal bowls. You can do that through so many things. 

And the thing that I love about both bowls and tools like that is they're not plugged into the grid. I know this sounds old fashioned. I'm aging myself, but I love the idea of a tuning fork that I don't have to. I don't have to use technology for it. It's just a pure raw vibration that's not connected into the system. Right. Technology whatsoever. And I found that to be a very powerful tool for me. 

A: Yeah. I mean, I have a singing bowl up there that I use, you know, after I do body work with someone and, you know, what I usually will say, you know, if they're not familiar with it is like, okay, we just did all this neuro muscular work. We just got your nervous system to release all of these, you know, contractions that were going on and they feel very like kind of open. And then I usually say, and now this, you know, sound that I'm going to bring in is going to kind of invite the, you know, the energy field to shift more fully and complete kind of the work that we did with your physical body. 

It's going to now like invite what's ready to let go or move away to do that. And it's a pretty strong bowl. It's a 432 Hertz A and it's made with crystal that has lapis infused in it. So it's a pretty strong sound. The woman I worked with yesterday, she said she felt it bilaterally. 

She felt like it go in and out of both ears, which I know has, you know, kind of different kinds of brain benefits to, to stimulate the both sides of our cortex. 

D: I'm just going to ask you if you are familiar with the phasio frequencies. 

A: What are the phasio frequencies? 

D: Yeah, that's what my tuning forks are based on. So, phasio frequencies, so phasio frequencies were frequencies. We don't know how far it goes back. We can trace it to Egypt. 

I think maybe it's a possibility. Atlantis, it's how far your consciousness will take you back. But they were really sung in the pre Catholicism. You know, all these religions all started out more mystical. Yes. Yeah. I mean, Christianity didn't start out as the Christianity we know today. You know, there was the Essenes. There was there was the Gnostics. There was early people for that in Judaism. It was the Kabbalah in Islam. 

It was the Sufis and all of these are the early, early people before man got in there and organized it into the religion that it is. And so when the Catholic Church was doing Latin, they were seeing these frequencies called phasio. They're all in Latin and many wonderful things were happening when they did the Gregorian chants in these particular frequencies. And then as the church would do, brought in somebody and said, no, we cannot teach these any longer. We're going to teach it differently. So they changed the frequency. Just like you mentioned for 32. 

A: Yeah, it's a region for 40 now. Right. Yeah. So that's all been changed, which makes us live an untuned life because we're not aligned because frequency is what aligns us in that way. But I wanted to say when he came along and changed it to Doremi Fossilati Do, which is a Western idea, dough was ute or ute quint laxes. 

D: And he came along and said, but we can't sing a song or a tone that ends in a concert. And it has to be a vowel and he changed it to dough. 

Next thing we know, we have Julie Andrews in the meadow with the kids saying, dough, a dear, a female deer. So unfortunately, Western music, and I'm not saying I don't like it because I grew up with it, but it's not helped us. It's literally if you study it is a scale that box us in because it's octave. It's a closed octave system. 

Sea to sea, sea to sea, sea to sea. Now over 2700 or so years ago, there was a guy who said, wait a minute, let's not close the octave. And his name was Pythagoras and Pythagoras says, let's don't close the octave. And when he didn't do it, he found it spiraled and spiraled and spiraled into the heavens, meaning the planets and the moons and the because they're all spinning, right? 

And what's spending is making a sound. I used to carry this hose around to the workshops and I go like this. Go whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, at some point while the planets are making a sound. And he brought those sounds down to Earth, heaven to Earth, actually vibrationally in what's called the music of the spheres. 

If you've heard that term. And so the Sulfagio kind of is that part of not closing twelve tone temperament, Western music, but it's opening it and catching the cycle because everything is sick in that way. Everything spirals. That's why we have what we call chakras, because if you can see energy spiraling, it looks like a wheel, right? Which is the Sanskrit word chakra. So everything is trying to find the the cosmic spin, which quantum physics always nothing is solid, but things are in movement and spin all the time. 

You know, that's what what they are. So anyway, that was lost by the 17th century. It was rediscovered in 1974. And that's when I came along and I was doing DNA activation workshops. And I was told that the reason sometimes that positive thinking doesn't always work is because even when we think positive, we will go back to the blueprint of our humanity, which is our DNA. 

Right. And so out of nowhere, I decided I wanted to know more about DNA. Well, as the universe would do, somebody I hadn't heard from years, called me and said, I don't know why I'm calling you. Oh, by the way, there's a doctor in California that's teaching DNA activation workshops. And I thought, wait, DNA set in stone. Now, this is this is before Bruce Lipton. Right. 

A: Right. And also, the understanding of our the way they this the DNA turns on and off the epigenetics. 

D: This is before the understanding of that. This is this is way before that. So I was ahead there. And I didn't have the support of what we have now. But anyway, I just went out and took this extensive workshop about DNA. I learned more about DNA than I needed to know. And but the thing that I noticed, he taught us how to activate the double helix by using these sounds, which he had recorded with intuitives who had watched people doing Reiki, people doing different modalities, energy work and transposed it into sound or vibration. So I went around the country kind of doing that, make a long story short, as I can. I wanted one of those frequencies was five hundred and twenty eight hertz. 

Which biochemists were using to repair DNA. And I thought, I've got to have it. Well, five twenty eight is a would sound to the brain because the brain generalizes a C above a C, but it's not. That's not the frequency. 

It's close, but it's not. So I didn't know what to do. Then the universe shows up again with somebody I heard of. And they're saying, you know, David, there's a guy in New York that can make a tuning fork into any frequency you want. And so that's when I learned that this five twenty eight was a part of five other frequencies called so. 

Fezio and I said, well, let's just have them all made. And that's what changed my world. When I held those works in my hand, I stood at a fork in the road. The name of my book, by the way, a fork in the road. And that's when I began to get downloads and I spent the last twenty five years training people all over the world in six languages and whatever. And I've just passed that on to other owners right now who are continuing to do the work. 

But I think everything is going to have to come back to vibration. You know, not to get too biblically on you, but it's interesting that the Bible starts out and God moved across the face of the deep. I thought one in the world, that mean God moved. And I begin to do deep research on that word, mood. And one of the older translations said, and God fluttered. 

Well, that's interesting. Then in the literal concordant, I said, I found and God vibrated. To have the new earth we're talking about, to have this better place that we're all aspiring to, we have got to go back and change things at the level of vibration. Right. 

A: Well, and to get a kind of a little playful with what you just described, like when we think of a flutter or even a movement, right? There's a beginning, a middle and an end to a movement, or there's even a rhythm to our feet as we step one after another. And so in a sense, it's pulsation, which is another word maybe for vibrate, this pulsating like a flutter is a pulsing. 

If you can imagine the way a moth moves or wings flap, right? And so there's again, a pulsation that is part of the existence of things, the existence of energy, as we could say, right? That it pulses. And in that pulsation, there's a sound like that's rhythm. That's the rhythm of our heartbeat. That's the pulsation of our blood throughout our body. 

We are that and there is a tone to it. I want to ask something kind of, as we mentioned earlier on about like the dark night of the soul or going through these physiological changes that can feel very disorienting and confusing. What might it be if there maybe there's a few possibilities when somebody's having like auditory stuff showing up, like ringing in their ears or, you know, popping or different tingling sensations in their ears. What is that kind of stuff possibly mean or represent? 

D: Great question. Great question. And I have had a lot of clients with Tinnitus, you know, with that sound in the ear thing. Now, I want to say, before I say anything else, that sometimes these things need to be medically looked at. 

I'm not against that. I'm not against people going and seeing what the doctor says and getting your diagnosis and then, but not giving your power away to it. Come back, meditate, get with an energy person and see exactly what's going on from a different level. So I think that, I don't know what to say because I have about 10 things going into my head. But if we can really tap into the energy thing. Now, this dark night of the soul is a very spiritual experience. And I'm a believer at one level of consciousness that there is only light. 

That is the reality. I could simply tell you right now where I am. The sun is shining and I know that's day because the source of light out there is the sun. Now, the seeding that will not be any sun and I will call it night, but there is no source of night. There's nothing causing night other than the absence of the sun. So what I'm getting to is I really found my answer about this light and dark thing in a quote from Carl Jung. 

I'm saying that right. The psychologist for psychologists who said that darkness is unconscious light. Whoa. I mean, that was a gnosis moment for me. 

It was an epiphany. I get it. There really is no darkness or night. There is just an absence. And I think right now the more 3D simulated world becomes more distant to us, more diminished, less strong to us, that there is that place in between where things start looking like it's darkness, but it's actually unconscious light that is coming in. 

And that's why programs like this and platforms like this is so important that people can go. Okay. That means that there's parts of me that's been in the dark. See what I'm saying? If you don't know something, you're in the dark about it. 

Yeah. I mean, you're stupid or something's wrong with you. It means I've not been exposed to that information. But as we are expanding even today, the consciousness for people, they're going to find out there will be less darkness in their dark night of the soul as it becomes more light of the new that is emerging in. It's kind of the darkness before the light kind of idea that we're right. 

A: Right. Yeah. Well, and also like when you're in it, you know, and this is something that I've been exploring a lot in my own experience is like sometimes, the heavy feeling in your body and the overwhelm and the things that people, you know, label bad. Sometimes it's actually a very intelligent strategy to like, get myself to rest to stop doing and to start receiving and opening to receiving. 

Right. And a lot of times people resist that because they think something's wrong and then they try to like take some kind of action to fix the problem versus kind of surrendering and allowing yourself to rest in that darkness to allow for the shift and the change and the healing that your body might need to do that your consciousness might need to do. You know, if say on a more kind of energetic level, there's a letting go going on in your life, letting go of a relationship, letting go of a place that you lived, you know, letting go of whatever it is, right, a job and identity, right. There's a grief process in the letting go and letting go, you know, it is a surrendering. 

It's kind of an opening of your hand to let whatever was there fall away. Right. And it's natural for there to kind of be an emptiness at that moment of the letting go process. Right. And it's like, can we can we trust that can we trust that it's okay to let go that it's okay to feel the sadness that comes with letting go. 

Right. Or do we keep gripping and gripping and gripping and trying to hold on and make the process more and more unpleasant and uncomfortable for ourselves right like that's kind of how I see it when I'm going through these moods, you might say have moods that I go through as a woman or you know as a person right and you know can I rest in my mood can I let myself be in the mood that I'm in. Can I let myself be tired and you know grumpy and just rest in that. And when I do that it has way less control over me. Because like I in another way to put it would be like I kind of let the light in. 

I surrendered the grip and I surrendered the battle. And in doing that then the light starts to kind of come into that dark space with me. You know, and all of it gets illuminated even just 2% and it's less less scary. 

D: That's very good. I like what you just said. That's amazing. Yes, I think we need to look at this whole idea of the dark side of the soul and darkness as a different thing. It's interesting you said that because I just told a group recently to quit fighting the fact if you feel like you want to be inactive. If you want to go lay down if you want to take a nap. 

Don't let that ego mind going you you're lazy you should be doing something all the time to be productive. No, I think that we're getting so close now that a lot of our soul level is doing some really intense work right now. And I've noticed and I'll just put this out for anybody that wants to see if they resonate with it. But there's something going on from about 3 to 5 o'clock in the mornings for people. So if there's anybody out there that's waking up and you think oh my God I've got to have this 8 hour sleep I can't make it to work or whatever. 

I think there's something very it's a portal that's opening up for some spiritual work to be done right now. And as you said we need not to struggle and fight against these things because we make it stronger actually than if we give into it. I wrote a book years ago and one of the chapters was a quote again out of the Bible but I never heard anybody talk about it. But it is the teacher saying agree with an adversary quickly let's bring you before the judge and cast you into prison. I thought what an interesting statement I've never heard it in the church I was grown up but the word agree means to understand. 

So the more people understand what's going on with them that this is very spiritual or energetic in nature and it's not something's wrong or I'm being punished or I didn't meditate long enough or I should have stayed with my chi gong and I've been missing my yoga classes. You know all those things that tries to accuse us of not being enough and so he that understands the adversary understands it's not your adversary it's your teacher it's your opportunity. 

This is when we grow the most when we're going through it you mentioned moods I think that's like an orchestra your body is like an orchestra OK and you go down to the symphony and you go in and all of the different instruments are trying to tune. And it sounds awful. I mean the the violin. 

A: Yeah it's horrible like oh my God this is not even music this is just a bunch of annoying sound to me. And then after every part has done its part to tune itself and the conductor comes out with that baton and that music comes out together. I don't care if you're a music or trained in music you know you feel it like you said you feel it in your body you feel it in your whole being that something has come together in harmony and alignment and I'm predicting that's going to happen very quickly even at no matter how bad the world looks right now. 

And through my five senses I'm not real happy about what a lot of things that's going on politically or whatever but I'm seeing that it's all coming as an opportunity for fast quick growth as we continue on our point of awakening. You know I noticed in the Bible. It says an atom a deep sleep came on Adam and I never found where he woke up. 

D: So one like a sleep there is the word stupor or the word we get stupid but it means a word that went into an illusion a Maya or a dream and unconsciousness. 

A: An unconsciousness exactly. 

D: And then I don't think that happened. I didn't wake up until all of the incarnations of the Adamic soul ended up 2000 years ago as Yeshua the Christ of God and therefore the Bible said he was the last Adam. So everything between is the dream it is the illusion the illusion of separation and all of that. So I that's why I named my Academy the Academy for spiritual awakening because all through the Bible was awake awake now that sleep a shake yourself from the dust awaken send no more to wake awake and I thought well we must be asleep. Right. 

A: Yeah 

D: We must be in a state in which we're dreaming this whole thing and it's not reality but I'll tell you what helped me that came along was a course in miracles. Yes. Marianne Williamson back in the 80s was what gave me the religious language I needed but a different perception. Yeah. Of how to look at these things. But anyway that's. 

A: It's interesting you bring up a course in miracles I had been kind of wondering I was wondering where kind of the link or the change in the shift came from. 

You know the kind of you know religious perspective and moving it into these other dimensions and that makes perfect sense. My dad has done the year you know the whole book in an entire year every day lessons he's done it seven times. Wow. Which is a pretty big accomplishment. I think it's a lot and then so I grew up around it and then actually my I've learned this is a very fascinating thing my mentor Eleanor Chris well Hannah. 

Her she's an academic now she's passed this last September but she her publishing company back in like whenever it was published in the 60s was the first to publish a course in miracles before it was officially published like the first draft was published by her. So I just find it very fascinating like it's kind of like these themes you know that we get to experience in our lives that sort of point us in a direction and you know then there's people who are probably listening. 

And I think it's a lot of people who are probably listening to me who may have never even heard of the course of miracles. Right. And yet it's been something that's been in my you know energetic field like pretty much my whole life in various ways right. 

D: Of course the miracles find you I think more than it. But I needed it because in 1988 I had an experience that I lost my belief in God. Well I've been ministering for years so I was pretty excuse my term pissed about it. Like this is where I end up you know all these years of preaching about God know that and then all of a sudden now I don't know if there's a God but I tell you Amy bottom line what I found out is that I didn't lose whatever we call God you know to me God is an intelligence a consciousness that's undefinable non local. 

It just is whatever it is it's an intelligence that's always working toward the higher good of all things. But I didn't lose God I lost my belief in God as I was taught it by my religion. But I had made that become God. People make God psychologically an idol in their mind of what their told God is. And there's a place if you allow me that I really like in Psalms that says they made idols that had eyes that could not see ears that could not hear throat that could not speak feet that could not walk. But the scary part is the next verse and they became like them. So when I have an idol of God in my mind that God is vindictive guess what I will be vindictive. 

A: So interesting that quote right there. I feel like that's that Simon and Garfunkel song. 

D: It sounds one hundred feet for reference if you know people talking without speaking people hearing without listening the sounds of silence right hello darkness my old friend. I bet that's where they got that from I bet they got that from the Psalm right and about the you know the idolizing that we create in our brains and then end up mimicking right. And I think that that's like very natural and you're hearing a lot of people nowadays talking about like oh it's about the the main five people that you spend time around you become most like them right so choose your company carefully right and we can think about that like energetically you know or even nervous system wise like we're co regulating with other people's nervous systems. 

You know right now people listening to us to the vibrations of our voice maybe they're seeing us on the YouTube video right there they're engaged with our experience and our perspective and our nervous systems right now even across the ether of the Internet right. And then you know that's like you said why conversations like this and having people, you know to listen to to interact with it's so vital to our growth because you know they could be listening to something else right now that was be having a completely different effect on their consciousness, you know putting them in a state of fear putting them in a state of being disempowered and frustrated. 

Right and then they'd be carrying that with them in their body and in their nervous system for the rest of the day. Right. Right. 

Absolutely. So we are vibrational frequency beings that's always creating an environment out of our frequencies and vibrations and who comes into the what we call the field. You know the field is my world that I live in and who comes into my world and it's going to somehow interact with my frequency and vibration I'm going to interact with their frequency and vibration. So I think the more conscious we become the more awake we become to be more mindful, right, how that we're co creating our environments. 

Yes, the more easy that it's going to be for us. Yeah, my favorite analogy and it's been worn out but it's that little caterpillar guy. I love the caterpillar story so much because he's nibbling on his leaf and he's eating all these resources, just like we're doing in 3D, you know we're just kind of destroying our resources. And he comes to the end of his resources or she whatever and says, what do I go from here? 

I think there's people out there that's saying the same thing. Where do I go from here? My religion didn't quite do it for me. I've tried this all these things. I'm just kind of at the end. But you can't be at the end if you're not also at the beginning. Beginnings cause ends. 

And I just think people should realize that that little caterpillar at that moment and it took that moment that something awoke in that caterpillar that that caterpillar didn't know it had. How many people listening to us really know their own potential? We only use 3% of our genetic material. We Einstein use 10% of his mental consciousness. If these people are using those kind of numbers, what are we using every day? 

Most of us. Another thing that changed everything for me when I was kind of transitioning out of ministry was I was in Memphis, Tennessee. Horrible situation. They put me in a horrible motel. It was a dangerous part of town. Anyway, it was just not a good situation. And that's the time I was losing God at the same time. 

So I was trying to teach and do this thing, but I wasn't into it whatsoever. And a woman brought me a little at that time cassette tape. She said, I bought this at the store, but I didn't like it. I didn't like what was being said. I threw it in the trash. 

But this morning, something said to me, she called the spirit said to her, go get that out of the trash. It wasn't for you. It's for David. So she brought it to the class and gave it to me. 

Well, I people give me stuff all time, but I stuck it in my coat pocket. And so I go back to this motel. I can't get out. I don't have a car. 

TV don't work. I'm depressed. I'm losing God. Oh, what a mess. I was in. 

Talk about Dark Knight of the Soul. I was in it. And so I was sitting in this chair just kind of and I did carry a little cassette tape player to travel with. And something said, go get that tape. 

It's out of your pocket. So I went and got that tape. I don't know why I'm telling this, but somebody out there needs to hear this story for somebody there. And I was listening to this tape. It had a heavy accent. Wasn't Bible oriented. 

Wasn't anything in my head that I was referring to anything this man was saying at all. But I was just kind of listening because there was nothing else to do. I was so bored. And as I did, I kind of went into that state of between sleep and awake, you know, kind of nodding off. 

And the voice said on the tape. Quantum physics has found out what we called empty space in the cell is not a vacuum but a plenium. Of an electron, subtle electromagnetic field of all possibility. And Amy, I shot up out of that chair. Every cell in my body. Talk about a somatic experience. My body lit up. My brain still over here going, what? What was this mean? But my body got it. And I had what I call a cellular awakening that the empty space was my own potential that had not been awakened and made conscious yet. 

Love it. And now it's being awakened yet. And it's being awakened as star as light information. I just did a workshop yesterday on the power of light language. I don't know. 

A: I am familiar with light language. 

D: I have a friend who speaks light language. 

A: Yes, yes. I want to say something about your story. I love that story. I love it. 

A: And I think that there's a really interesting kind of parallel because when people's, okay, so I'm going to talk about kind of what you were talking about, but on a muscular nervous system state. So you're here, you are in this motel, right? And you're in it. You're in your pattern of frustration. You're looking around you and everything is kind of a feedback loop for that frustration. 

Right. And in that frustration, there is literally probably like a muscle pattern or a contraction of your muscles in your body that goes with that. Conscious or unconscious. 

Maybe you laid down because you're tired from your shoulders from standing around all day or your feet hurt. Right. That's how it might show up at the moment. When our brains are busy doing running those loops, running those patterns, they're not, it's not new. It's not fresh. It's like the old thing is going, going, going. And then there was this moment of, you said, this cellular awakening where you realized that even amongst that pattern, those well-worn tracks of your neurological pathways firing, you know, the frustration and the annoyance and the exhaustion and all of that. Just like outs, like you just like imagine those pathways just outside of those pathways are space of possible experience. 

And you got that. It was like the cells of your body got that what you were experiencing your perception at that moment was just a well-worn pathway that you happened to be on. But yet there was the potential for any other possible way of seeing or viewing or experiencing your body and your reality that could happen. 

And in that moment, you had this awakening. Now, this is extremely similar to the work that I do with people. And when I do the neuromuscular release work, people describe, oh, how does your leg feel? Oh, it feels light. They literally say it feels like light. Sometimes they say it visually, like when they sense from the inside, this side of my body is light and this side is dark, right? 

And they will describe it as light. And I talk about those well-worn pathways, those contractive patterns of how we've been seeing and viewing things. It's our untapped human potential because when we're caught up in all that, we can't see what we really are. We can't see other people and other situations as they are. We only see them as that well-worn pathway would have us look through that tiny little window of possibility, right? 

That narrow view of I am exhausted and frustrated, right? So I just, I thought your story was so brilliant because it really shows that that space outside the pathway that we're on, the track that we're on, that dark night, it's always available. It's actually always there. And it's about remembering that it exists. And that whatever we're seeing or viewing at this moment isn't all that there is. Exactly. Yeah. 

D: Well put. I'm going to use that. Very well translated into a more somatic interpretation, which is what you do. And I love that. Absolutely love that. 

A: Yeah. Yeah. 

D: And it was, I don't know. Sometimes I call that a sacred still point. You know, it's when the pendulum stops to go this way, but I never see it. I don't know when it does, but it had to stop somewhere. And I think it's in that idea, even though the old quote, be still and know, you know, idea, there is a still point between somatic. I want to thank you for that. That was really helpful to me to bring it into more of a way of explaining it, that people can understand that. Wow, this is so exciting to have this connection with you. 

Because I never know in these podcasts, I do a lot of subpar so good, but this is a real good match for that that way. But that changed everything for me is I realized that maybe what we're calling the divine within is my own potential that has not been awakened into consciousness. So I saw this God thing as a more abstract thing than somebody that's anthropomorphic. Right. And in the sky. 

A: Father figure who's failing you right now. 

D: Yeah, exactly. So that changed everything. And just so happened, it was at that time that course of miracles came along. So it was a really nice transition for me, because I was still wrestling with what's this sin thing. 

What is that? And of course, the miracles gave me such a wonderful way of using the language I had downloaded, you know, from my religion and using it to make a new program. And they call that a shift of perception. Right. Wow. 

A: Well, this has been an absolutely amazing conversation. I'm loving this. I want to go back to the question I had asked earlier that you only partially answered because we got kind of distracted. But the tinnitus thing or the ear thing, right. And also this idea of like, you know, when people are starting to have auditory, you know, they're either hearing things or they're not hearing things, right. Like it could be selective hearing or hearing loss. 

Right. What do you think that that can represent in a person, you know, besides the medical things that it might be like what could it be shifting in them or asking to be shifted in them. 

D: If a person is at a level along their path, that they've done the things to open themselves up energetically and spiritually to dimensions beyond our sensory or the people that can begin to pick up. And I think this is this is a whole different subject, but through the activation of the pineal gland, the pineal gland becomes a vibrating antenna that is able to bypass ego 3D 4D consciousness and start bringing in fresh consciousness. And consciousness comes in the form of vibration as we've established, but you said it yourself the vibration is a sound. So people start picking up the new thing that is trying to come in to be made conscious in them only through these different sounds that they have. 

Now, in my case, I use different tuning forks to see does this match the sound that you're hearing. Maybe it does. Maybe it doesn't. And like we both established here, we want to be clear that some of these things are physical issues and things that need to be looked at that way. But there's a lot of people out there is not getting an answer through that way through the western medical thing. And that's the people that I invite really look into this energetically, find people that work with energy and vibration and sound. And I think that they will find out that actually these are new vibrations and frequencies that are trying to integrate into the vibrations and energy that is stable and normal to them to expand it. Wow. 

A: Yeah, that makes sense to me. I mean, it's one of those things where it's like both a, you know, something that can be determined and looked at from a, you know, medical standpoint and something that can be investigated more deeply in an energetic and spiritual way. And I love that you're open to both those ways of interpreting things. And I think both are important often for, you know, both our linear brain and our like expanded consciousness to really grasp the totality of something. Right. 

D: That's what I think 5D is going to be. It's going to be spirituality and science together. East and West meets. East and West meet body and mind spirit meet. I think all these things that have been put in their own little compartments are going to come together. 

In fact, my email is creelution because I've married creation and evolution together because I believe they work together beautifully. You don't have to be, it's not a black and white world anymore. There's many gray areas that a lot of us have been lost in because there wasn't a system out there for us. So let's create one. Let's co create. And that's what we're doing. That's what we're doing today right here. Absolutely. We're creating a whole new system of thinking for those that are ready to step into it and to experience this expansion today. Beautiful. 

A: Beautifully said. Yeah. Thank you so much for this conversation. I feel like we really have illuminated all the different possibilities of what a dark night could be and what that could look like, right? Sure. Can you tell people where they can find out more information about your work and your Academy? Sure. 

D: The Academy is the Academy for Spiritual Awakening and you can get on that by just going to DavidHulse.com right now. So that's H-U-L-S-E like your pulse, DavidHulse.com. And we're trying to bring together a community of people who are really searching to become more aligned with transformation, you know? And that's what we said earlier. If we dance with it and not fight it, we can get much more along toward our path. 

So you can get on there right now and while I'm offering you an awakening sampler that means for free, you can download a lot of samples of a lot of the classes that I do. I start classes with people just coming out of Bible, Bible 101 and talk about the Greek and the Hebrew and try to clean that up. So you've got to clean that 3D religious thing up before you move into the next level. 

And there's going to be meditations. There's going to be times of being with me, master classes and whatever. So I'd really love for anybody out there that's resonating with that to get on www.DavidHolst .com and kind of look around and see what it's there. And I want to thank you so much for having me today. It's been a delightful match in this conversation. 

A: Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, people listening, check that out, especially if you have some religious trauma or hangups with Christianity. Maybe you were raised in a really narrow viewpoint and you are looking to expand that. David sounds like a perfect match for someone who is ready to step into a new dimensional way of being and integrate that with the old viewpoints and the old systems that weren't quite hitting the mark. Right. 

D: If you would allow me, I'd also like to announce I'm a spiritual leader of a community here in Charlotte called Heart light Spiritual Community. And all my teachings and sermons and messages are all on heartlightsharlot.org. That's heartlightsharlot.org. You can check out tons of stuff that I've done on Wednesday classes and Sundays also. So thank you for letting me mention that too. Fantastic. 

A: Thank you so much for coming on and yeah. 

D: Thank you. Hope we can do it again sometime. 

A: Absolutely. We'll continue to be in touch. 

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