EP99 - Eat, Feel, Heal: Transforming Your Relationship with Food and Self

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What if nourishment wasn’t something you had to earn or chase, but a way of being?

In this week’s episode, Aimee Takaya sits with Isabel Chiara, intuitive guide, author, and creator of the Nourishment App, to explore what it means to reclaim your inner power through deep self-connection, embodied awareness, and emotional healing.

Together, they discuss how our relationship with food, our emotions, and even our past traumas can either limit or liberate us.

Isabel takes us through:

- Why nourishment is a path, not a goal

- How emotional patterns shape our relationship with food and self-worth

- The power of body scans, inner dialogue, and intuitive somatic practices

- Using triggers as invitations for growth and self-acceptance

- Why denying your emotions can block both healing and joy

- How Isabel’s Nourishment App supports transformational healing from the inside out

And so much more!

ISABEL CHIARA, creator of “The Life Actualization Process,” has been a guide, mentor, and leader throughout her entire life. Over the last thirty years, she has honed her expertise in extensive studies and practices of transformational energy modalities. As a professional intuitive guide, Isabel activates unlimited potential for her clients, helping them to ignite their most liberated, passionate, and empowered life path, full of prosperity, miracles, and magic.

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A: Hey there, listener. Have you been feeling powerless in one area of your life, whether it's at work, at home, or in your personal relationships? I can't wait for you to hear today's podcast.

I have Isabel Chiara, the creator of the life actualization process. She has been a guide and mentor for over 30 years, and we are going to explore how you can activate your own power, access your inner tools for wisdom, and create a life that is nourishment from the inside out. Stay tuned. 

A: Every day, there is a forgetting, and every moment there is the possibility of remembering. Remembering who you truly are, awakening to your body, to the inner world, to the experience of being alive. Here is where you find the beauty, the joy, and here is where you free your Soma. I'm your host, Aimee Takaya. I'm here to help you move from pain to power, from tension to expansion, and ultimately from fear to love. 

I: Hello, Isabel. So nice to meet you. 

I: Hi, Aimee. I'm so excited to talk to you. We just spent a lot of time getting to know each other, and I'm thrilled with what we're going to come up with now. 

A: Yes, absolutely. So, this word nourishment, I mentioned that in the teaser here today, and this is a word for you. Your upcoming, is it a book, right? It's called Nourish? 

I: It's a coming book, but also I have an app, and it's called the Nourishment app. Which is amazing, and we could talk about that after. 

A: Yeah, well, let's explore this word and what it means beyond, because I think a lot of people are familiar with this idea of nourishing through just eating healthy food, or that means nourishment. But you're talking about a nourishment that goes beyond just what we're eating, right? Can you explain to us what nourishment means in this bigger picture framework? 

I: So I talk about nourishment as a way to be in life, way to look at yourself from the inside out, as a way to feel, you know, like we have a lot of food cravings, and we have a lot of things that we're always looking outside of ourselves. 

And so when we start to look at ourselves inside, we start to feel more present, we start to feel more whole, we start to, and I'm not saying just feel, it's actually almost like a state of being. So I look at the word nourishment as a path, and you never can be wrong on your path, you're always on the path, and you're always feeling more nourished, but you don't come from a place of not being nourished, you're always nourished. 

And so it's, I call it like way better than having goals, because when you have a goal, you're trying to get to a certain point. So you're almost never there, but with nourish, you're always there, you're always being, you're always you, it's from the inside out. And something like being joyful, like the ultimate goal of being nourished, is that you do the benefit of that is to feel joyful and to feel happy, because on some level, you're satiated. 

And that is, I mean, I feel like that's what we're all searching for. So I use nourishment as kind of a mantra. It's a word that I bring in for myself, because I was my first practice person, right? It's a word that has all of those feelings, all of everything that's going on, any triggers, anything that's going on in life, bring it back into like an okay state, and inner knowing that we're processing something, and it's okay. So it's like nourishment is almost like a sensation. We're okay. 

A: Yeah, I love this. I love this. So let me just play back some things that I picked up on here. And you can like, let me know if I got kind of what you're saying, which is that, you know, to nourish ourselves is like something we have to do, but you're saying it's actually just a way of being like, as we're sitting here breathing in air, right, and taking in oxygen, our cells are being nourished by that oxygen, our bodies right now are turning over and creating and building, you know, our reality real time, and that we don't actually have to do anything. 

It's actually about like stepping out of the way and allowing that natural process to occur, rather than an extra thing we have to somehow do or achieve or like you say, meet a goal, it's more about getting in touch with what is actually occurring all the time, which is that our bodies are a creative living process. Right. 

I: And I say nourishment is a mantra. I don't know if I said that before, but I say it's a total, it's a mantra that, you know, when we have those conversations that come up in our head that say, oh, you did that bad or look what somebody did to me or any of those conversations, you get to get back to the word nourishment and you get to reframe how you're looking at whatever happened from the inside. 

Like what did that bring up inside of you because what you get to do, and this is where my app comes in, is you get to go back and look at where something started, or started, or these feelings really started and what you didn't get, we get to look at what we didn't get as a child or, you know, recently and how we, and what do we really want? 

What are we really craving? Why is it we can't metabolize the situation that just occurred for us just now, and how we can go back and do it? Because, you know, let's face it, we are all getting triggered left and right, you know, a lot, and we get to use that as a way to accept ourselves more. 

Right. Be present with ourselves more instead of pushing away the feelings that occurred. Let's just say we felt anxious from something somebody said, which occurs a lot. It's something, and we put some meaning into it, and we said, oh, dude, they don't like us. Whatever we said or they think we're not intelligent, and either the above, we have a whole litany of what's happening above. And so it's not really true. 

It's very subjective, right? So we get to look at it differently. We get to hold it differently. We get to use it as a way to, I like to say, you know, jump from this one way of being to another way of looking at things and or looking at it as something that happens for us. 

A: Yeah, right. To our benefit, to our nourishment, to help us, you know, deepen our growth and our connection to ourselves. 

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I: Right. So I think that if we begin to walk along that pathway, because that's what nourishment is, it's a very, it's a path. And, you know, there's different little roads we take, but we feel better because we know that whatever's happening is for our greater good or for what's going on in our life, or for building upon ourselves, strengthening ourselves, bringing ourselves more confident, joy, happiness. We're still always on that path for ourselves. Beautiful. 

A: You know, what's coming up is like receptivity or being able to like receive the moment or receive the nourishment, right? Because a lot of times we live in a world that's so fast paced and we're not slowing down enough to, as you say, metabolize our experiences, you know, and even our digestive system can't like work very well when we are in fight or flight, when we're in that like fast paced, gotta go, gotta go, right? 

And so part of what you're describing sounds very much like a mindfulness, but beyond that, it's like, how can I be present with what's coming up so I can receive, receive the nourishment, right? 

I: Well, I just wanted to piggyback off of what you just said. I'm just going to give you an example. This morning, right, before I got on the call with you, I just did a body scan, which is one of the techniques I do. And I went in to check, you know, what part of my body or where, what's going on in it just to, and because, you know, this whole nourishment thing is from the inside out. 

And so many times we just, you know, wake up, we don't have meditative practices, and we just like, you know, from the hip and go out in our life. But if we create different safe spaces for ourselves, I like to say, where we go inside of ourselves and start to see what's going on in our body, because we don't pay attention to, like our heart, you know, our solar plexus, like what do they want? Like, what are they craving? 

Because they're really kind of leading the, leading the path, leading a lot of behaviors, these behaviors in ours, because they want attention. So I did this body scan today, and I focused in on my heart, because I noticed that a lot of your podcasts really are very heartfelt. So I wanted to see what my heart was saying this morning. And it felt a little hard around the edges. So I could feel that. And also, I noticed I asked why, you know, what was going on. And my, you know, your body parts answer you. 

Oh, yeah. It's happened to yourself, your body starts to answer you. So it said, I'm not allowing myself to receive, right? I was in the doing all week long, I was in a lot of the doing of my life, and it wanted to receive. And it wasn't asking for much, it was asking for acknowledgement, love. And so I gave it to myself in that moment. And that's all it really takes. It only takes a few moments to recognize different parts of your body and see what it's craving. What does it want? 

What does it need? And by giving that to that part of the body, you can almost feel the blood flowing and into that, and the energies opening up in that part of your, of my body. So I thought it was, I was like, wow, this was like a great message this morning. And I knew we were going to have a good interview because that happened. Yeah. 

A: Well, I love that right into the receptivity and like, what is it that I'm needing? And I love that you, you know, body scanning is a huge part of my modality too. It's like, you kind of like the first step, you know, is just getting in touch with what's going on, what is right? We're not trying to fix anything. 

We're not trying to change anything. We are going to notice things that are feeling rough, as you described around the edges are tight, or maybe, you know, there's pain, but it's a really great preventative practice to do what you're describing because a lot of times we aren't paying attention, as you said, to our heart or to our lungs or to different areas of our body, unless there's something wrong, or unless those areas start screaming at us. And why would they have to scream is because we haven't been listening to their gentle whispers, right? 

I: Right, we're not paying attention. Well, I wasn't trained. This is what leads people into the work they do, right? I was trained at a very early age to not pay attention to my feelings. Is that the story for everybody? 

I think it's a big story for a lot of people. And I was also trained to just kind of move through things. And I didn't value feelings and sensations. 

I didn't even connect. As a matter of fact, most of my life was spent trying to not have any feelings, trying to even use spirituality. And I learned a lot of healing modalities over the years. I've been doing this since the 70s. 

And, you know, to the point where, you know, people were like, Oh, she's crazy, that girl, including my family. So I did it because I knew that was a way for me to connect. But I wasn't using it, I wasn't using spirituality in a way to connect. I was using it as a way to disconnect. 

A: Right, override feelings and sensations. 

I: Override my feelings, I would say, Okay, let me go to a higher source and feel really good over here. But then, ignoring this, I had two separate things going on here. Yeah, okay, I'm going to go home and like be my spirit, you know, pray, and be out of my body. Here, here we go. 

A: Yeah, I love that you're bringing this up because this is actually, I think, you know, sometimes a little bit of a touchy or kind of controversial subject for, you know, energy workers and for very, you know, highly spiritual people who spend a lot of time, you know, in their upper chakras or in their energy body, you know, because they have these really profound ecstatic kinds of experiences, but they also are maybe not grounded. 

And they're also not knowing how to be in their human body, right, to be in their humanness, and that you kind of were able to come back into your body and back into like your humanness, after all also experiencing these really big energetic states. And you can say a little bit about that process. 

I: I mean, it was so many years, I really thought it was because I didn't know how to deal with emotions. I thought they were bad. So I labeled them low vibe. Yeah, I labeled emotions. So the only one I allowed myself to have is anger. Okay, because that was like, you know, represented, you know, our strengths in around me. 

Yeah, whatever you allow in, you know, like it's projected. And I was like, Okay, good, good release, you know, but, but, you know, I started meeting, you know, when you're in the energy field, you meet people that are anger is not an okay thing. But I don't want to experience your anger. So I really had to redevelop myself, you know, especially like if you're working with people, and how to really communicate and really speak and really allow people to have their feelings. 

That was another thing I was telling people, don't worry, it's okay, let's do this so you don't have them. So what I was experiencing, I was trying to get different clients that I was coaching to how to surpass their feelings too, because I thought that was a really good way to be. And I just recently come to the point in the last few years that a more somatic way of being is really, you know, a full spectrum way to be with your feelings. 

And I think that's, I have gotten my greatest growth, experiencing a whole line of different emotions in my body, and allowing it to become through my body and allow myself to look at it. It's very hard for people to do that. There's not a lot of people that will look at their feelings. But I also think that once you start to look at them, they become messages for you to really just experience growth. 

That's why I say when we're on the nourishment path, just looking at those experiences and acknowledging them and knowing what they are, they have come from somewhere in your past. And they've come from somewhere and you are able to resolve the chances of them having been resolved in the past. I have noticed that they are not totally resolved. Yeah. 

A: And, you know, I think that, you know, we kind of heal in a spiral shape, right? Like it's not something that like has an endpoint as long as we're alive, we're always growing and learning and uncovering, you know, new mysteries within ourselves. And so we're, we're looping back around to like these same things, but it's part of the process. And so as, you know, I first of all, I can completely relate to like everything that you shared about being in kind of denial of your emotions and thinking that you could kind of like outsmart your body, is kind of how I felt about it. I mean, I was, because I was facing physical pain. Right. 

I: I could just outsmart myself. I am so smart and I'm so connected. I can just like kind of fantasize a little bit my way out of this by creating a scenario that's going to make me feel better, but it's not actually like being with the pain inside. 

I: Oh yeah. So I'm with you on that one. I used visualization. I actually studied with Shakti Gawan, who is the creative visualization person who started the whole thing in the 80s. I studied with her, and I would use visualization to come out of my body and shift situations. So as it really does work, I think we still have to name and notice what the, what the feelings are. 

A: Yeah. Well, and it's, you know, I'd say like what you just described, you know, with visualization, and I've had these experiences too, where you get into these really high vibrational states and you feel like a wizard or something because you can make big changes in your life. 

It's a legitimate way to transform, you know, what's happening for you is through these techniques, but you're kind of missing like the shadow layer. You're missing like some piece of it that, you know, is going to keep you grounded, is going to help you hold space for other people in their challenges and not just invite them to kind of overlook those things, right, as they fester, right? Because they do, if we don't deal with those feelings, right, they can fester. 

And that's how I think sometimes, you know, illness and things like that can come about to, you know, to spiritual people or people who are on like a healing path who are flabbergasted to suddenly be diagnosed with cancer or to have some kind of thing happen in their body because they're like, Oh, I take such good care of myself, but maybe there's been a way they've been bypassing these important messengers, these important sensations 

I: that are sitting in their tissues, and their tissues are like now forming some kind of a buildup. 

A: Yeah. Yeah. And so I completely relate it was, it's still part of my ongoing process, because as you mentioned, this is not easy. This is not like an easy just thing to do. Like, yeah, you get a little bit better at it each time that you're sitting with an uncomfortable feeling and sensation and memory, you know, if it's grief or it's sorrow or it's anger, I kind of think of it as like a flavor palette, you know what I mean, of different kinds of human experience. 

And there's some that we've labeled like this is a yucky taste. We don't like this. It's like, well, what if we refined our palette and opened up to the bitter tastes or the sour tastes or like the kind of earthy, you know, heavier tastes, you know, like, we could learn to appreciate and be nourished by it all. Right. 

I: Which can I bring in my app right now? Please do. Yeah. So I like to call it like, it's the nourish app, and it's unlocking the power of these activations. And I've written 12 activations, which are really meditation, exploration, and transformation-type of meditations. 

And I have four unique bundles in it, and they are all focus themes. And what I recommend people do is they just listen to the process a couple of times a week. And what happens is the body starts to go through the process. I also in the process have an activation, which is the meditative process of reading components. 

So they get a sheet of paper that's talking about whatever the theme is, go through the themes in a minute. And I have an essential elixir, which I call, which are the affirmations that will reinforce this behavior. And what happens is people can shift, you know, and get some kind of comfort, some result quickly because of the way this whole thing is lined up. And so some of my activations are called, like one that I, it's really powerful. 

It's called I'm not enough, right? How many of us have that type of belief or foundation inside of us still, no matter what, a lot of times, where did it come from? Right. And we've adopted this way of believing about ourselves. And I think through this nourishment process and listening to the app, we call in the child that experienced, that had this experience and made this decision that I'm not enough, right, made this belief, which has become the foundation, a lot of foundational experiences in their life. 

And then we bring in the guardian, their own guardian. It could be their mom, it could be not anybody, it could be just a guardian that has a communication with this part of ourselves. And we get to check in with ourselves to see what we really crave, what we really want, what we needed, what we needed, what we didn't get. 

As chances are, we still aren't getting it. And through a series of some of these activations, we realize like our body has needs, we are psyche has needs, we have needs are different parts of us. And we get to give that to ourselves by I bring in a, the guardian, but I also bring in this whole way to heal and resolve that situation and transform the situation so that we don't have to go through our life and say, okay, I'm not going to do this here. 

This is not going to, we get to say, we get to just satisfy ourselves. And it's going to be a natural process because really looking at this as an internal, it's an internal process. And we shift from the inside out, and we start to look at things differently. And we start to behave differently. And we start to feel like we are enough. And what ends up happening with a lot of people, I've been told, including myself, that we start to have the words, you know, the little words that come to us, that we are enough. We feel enough. And we get to get it in our tissues now, start to absorb that. 

And we start to feel that, and it becomes part of our dialogue with ourselves. Cool. And I have some other, here's a really good one, because if we want to talk about food, I have one called setting the table. And through this app, I've done it with many people, including myself. There's a visual and there's a thing, our picture that we have, our feelings we have inside of ourselves, of how we did our family table. That created, oh, some of us are just wounded from that experience or have feelings about that experience. 

And we get to go back in and look at different parts of like that experience of how we eat, that eating of the table, how we do food with our family. And I mean, many of us, because we don't feel good about it, can't even sit down and eat with a group of people. Because it was not to nourish us, nourish us. 

And we learn not to eat by being nourished, also, we learned to just eat. Right. And like, oh my God, I hope someone doesn't say something. I hope nobody says something here. 

I hope that, you know, no one's yelling at the table. I hope that, you know, so it was not always a great experience for people. But through my app and the setting the table, which is a symbol for the mindset that we childhood, that we can bring in again, ourselves and our inner guardian and resolve all of that that kind of happened at the dinner table. 

A: Yeah, it's so crazy when you're as you're talking about this, like, it's not an area that I like, you know, specifically like have focused on in like my past, but I have multiple different events that happened around sitting down to eat, you know, or even the lack thereof, you know, in my household, like, there was a lot of chaos and they were often like meals weren't shared, you know what I mean? And it was sort of like fend for yourself. 

And that was also like an experience of like abandonment or neglect that I experienced, that nobody was taking care of me at the dinner table. There wasn't dinner table set for me, you know, and so as you're saying this, I'm like, oh my God, there's there's a lot there, there's a lot there that people probably aren't even aware of that influence the way that they interact with their food, the way that they diet or don't diet or whatever it is, right? Because I can see that in myself as you're speaking about it. 

I: Yeah, it's cute. We're hurried at the dinner table, like hurry up and eat, and like you're like shoveling, you know, food down your throat. And we don't even know we're just eating because we're just in the middle of this thing that we do, but we don't even acknowledge the whole eating food experience. Right. 

Yeah. So this is like so healing, this particular setting the table. And when people start to do it a couple of times, they start to change the relationship between them, the food, and the players around it. The experience starts to shift, and probably it they would notice it more because they're going to start experiencing their outer life. They're going to start to be like, okay, you know, maybe we'll sit down, maybe we'll have some conversation. 

Things will start to shift for them just by looking at this experience differently. And I do have, you know, so many other activations that are relationship-based. So really going really looking at relationships because let's face it, who can spend all that money on therapy lately? And does therapy? Do we get resolution from therapy a lot? 

So this, my app offers a way to begin to shift how we look at the experiences because we're in our psyche and because we are eyes are closed and because we're really seeing this, it just ends up like moving itself untangling itself. 

A: I like. Yeah, absolutely. I think of, you know, therapy for me was a starting point. And I think for many people, it's like a starting point. It's like, Oh, I haven't said these things out loud to people before. I haven't let anybody into my inner world, like let me go to a place where it's going to feel like controlled and safe. 

And like, you know, the person is like, you know, required by law to not share my personal information. Like all those things that make a person feel like they can unload. So it's like a starting point for a lot of people. But then, you know, as I experience with my own clients, as I'm sure you experienced, you reach a wall, you reach a point where the talk therapy is not enough. And there's more that needs to happen, right? And these activations sound like a more interactive, more self-sustaining kind of practice where you're taking that, that responsibility, which is also ultimately in my, I believe, what we need to do to heal is like be self-responsible in that way. Right. 

I: I also think, like sometimes, talk therapy, we've all done it, depending on how it's presented. All it does for me, it felt like it embedded a problem inside of me and made me more overwhelmed with the process. 

A: Yeah. Spinning your wheels a bit. Yeah, like it just made me dig my feet into whatever the situation was. You know, like, oh, like, okay, so let's happened and now what, you know, I can't do anything about it. 

I don't, not true. I mean, it did happen, but what are the other things that happened around it? And how else can we look at it? But as long as I think we have some kind of a resolution or way to break ourselves free from it, look at it differently. And that's what this app provides. 

That's why it's different than most other apps. It's very, very specific. And I go into how many people, how many of us eat because we don't know what's showing up and our body's so intuitive lately, right? And we know something's going on. We just can't see it. 

We can't feel it yet. So I call this particular activation eating into the abyss of the unknown because start to eat and people start to get anxious and nervous because something's happening. They don't know exactly what it is, but something's about to go down. 

How many people are there right now because people's intuition are really on right now. Yeah. And we do try to cover that up with food. I completely relate to that because it's a very immediate, quick way to get some of that comfort, some of that feeling of safety. It also distracts us because it's sensational and our body starts now processing the food instead of investigating like what that sensation or feeling might be, right? It's a way to cover it up for the time being. 

And I have to say it's really a reliable way, a trustworthy way. We know that if we stop and get a Starbucks muffin or whatever, we can stop the thing we're picking up on that's feeling uncomfortable, but it doesn't resolve it. It doesn't change that. It doesn't go away. Yeah. 

I: But we fit when we're like, okay, let's just do this, something that's distract ourselves and then maybe it'll go away. So I like to think of this my whole app as a way to reclaiming your relationship with food and transforming one's life because the way we do food is the way we do our life. 

Yeah. Not just eating at that one moment. We're doing food, we're escaping, we're not dealing with our feelings. We're doing our life in every arena, relationships with ourself also. 

We don't want to deal with it. We're doing life like that if that's how we're doing food. So that's a great indicator of how we are doing our life. Yeah. 

A: I love this. Food has been a big part of my journey. I had food sensitivities for over 10 years. I had a lot of gut health challenges. It was not just through getting information and trying out different things that helped me feel more resolved in that area. 

Now I don't have the same food sensitivities. Some of that was practical things that I tried and experimented with that were helpful. But the other side of that was working with my nervous system to actually resolve some of these deeper traumas that I experienced that were part of my inability to receive nourishment, we can say. 

My inability to let myself be in that absorption state and instead not want to process life. Be like, oh, actually, there's too much stuff that's already been built up in here. I don't have any space to process anything more. And that's why my gut was just not processing things. You know what I mean? 

And then we call that poor digestion, we call that bloating, we call that all these things. And yes, there was a physical element, but there was absolutely an emotional and energetic element there. 

I: I think there's an emotional component to most everything that's going on in our lives now that I accepted that part. There is an emotional component to a lot of things. But so you know that. You know that for yourself. 

And so once we start to know that, the gigs up, right? Can't unsee it. Yeah. Unsee it. 

And we get to do something about it because it's going to present itself in a more, if somebody's listening to this and they're not going to look at any of this, it's going to come around and say, Hey, knock, knock, knock. Here we go. A little bit more. 

A: Yes, absolutely. Well, let's talk about a little bit like when we start to, you know, do this work that you're describing. If people go and get the gig, your app, and they start noticing these patterns in themselves. What are some of the things that start opening up for people? 

I: What's going to happen is they're going to start to their voice. They're going to be like, they're going to notice, oh, this is this. Oh, and they're going to notice how it's starting to shift. They're going to notice that in a quicker what's going on around them and what's presenting itself in a quicker way. And they can just go in and, you know, they have choice now. 

They're going to allow themselves to have choice and not just, you know, skirt it under the blanket or anything. Right. So that's a really key thing. The voice that how we talk to ourselves is going to shift. And I noticed a lot of people have noticed that they start to feel different. 

Like they start to walk differently in life. Some people have expressed because they're more accepting. They're more accepting. They're more in their body. Right. And so things are, they're going to notice the shifts, you know, so many times we shift and we change and we don't even see it. 

Right. The body hasn't, you expressed this in the beginning, our body hasn't caught up with the shift. But from coming from this perspective, from the inside out, we begin to notice the shifts. 

And for a lot of people, a lot, a lot more acknowledgement came, a lot more needs are being met through this process also. It's a full body spectrum, I think. 

A: I love that. And I loved it. The first thing you bring up is the voice or, you know, someone's voice. Because, you know, if we think about like the main way that we traditionally nourish ourselves is through consuming food through our mouth. Right. Well, if that's somehow energetically blocked where we're taking in food, but we're not allowing ourselves to be nourished by it because of X, Y and Z. You know, if we have certain beliefs, right, that there's kind of this like empty void in ourselves that we're filling with food. 

Right. You could think about it the other way around, like your magic, your, you know, sense of self is going to have a harder time coming out just the same way that the food is having a harder time going in and actually being absorbed. So when you clear that pathway, right, through working with, you know, like you said, the history that we all carry in our bodies about food, about the dinner table, about our early experiences with nourishment, right. It makes sense that you would also open up the expression. 

Someone's personal self expression would start to shift too. Because it's that same space in our body. It's that same channel that if there's blockages there, it's going to block what needs to come out too. Right. Like what needs to be said or what needs to be expressed in the most authentic way. 

I: Right. I think that that's the biggest thing is just noticing the shift. And beginning to speak and respect ourselves also in another way, you know, acknowledging ourselves for, I mean, this is all of it. This is foundational work. You know, just going through this kind of foundational work is huge for people. 

You know, it's so life changing. And it's not to say that, oh, you're going to stop binging or you're going to, it's not to say that, but you are going to have more choice in your life, which is really important because you, when we get to have choice in our life, we get to feel really empowered in our life. You know, like it's not saying, okay, you're not having chocolate. I'm having that chocolate because you know what, it's not coming from like, you know, just grabbing it. It's coming from a, I'm deciding I'm having that piece of chocolate and I'm having it, you know, I'm making that choice. It's not a hidden little choice that we're making and we're sneaking it or, you know, we're 

A: feeling guilty and making it reinforce the story of not enoughness or something, right? Right. 

I: So a lot of these activations are so purposeful, are so foundational, so much so that people will be really, can be really proud of the work they're doing. And I think that this is a really quick way, fast and nourishing. It's so nourishing to do it like this. 

A: I love that you've created an app. I just think that is so like 21st century, like how, you know, people being able to have this access to this knowledge and this information and this process, like at their fingertips, like anywhere that they are, I think that's brilliant, you know. And it sounds like it, you know, all of this has come from your own personal processes and your processes with your clients, you know, for over 30 years, you know.

And kind of, as you said, coming to this place where you're no longer trying to override your humaneness or your emotions and jump into that ecstatic state. Now, what I want to ask is that since you had so much experience with these higher realms of consciousness, how does it feel to enter those more etheric places in your personal practice now that you're more in your body and you're not ignoring the physical, you know, human sensations and emotions? 

I: I want to say all on board. That would say that it feels so much more amazing. It feels more, I like the way you were used the word etheric. It's like an awesome, like you're in awe that you can even feel because you're really feeling also in there. You could feel that. Yeah. 

A: So you literally feel more now that you're in your emotional body as well. Yeah. 

I: It's a real ecstatic. It kind of feels very reverent. Really reverent like that, you know, I've come to that point, you know, I wish that for everyone that they could have that feeling and sensation in their body about like, you know, another realm because we only see what, you know, what our minds are allowing us to see here. But there's so much, I feel like there's so much more to see that we can't even see with our eyes. So maybe it has to start with our feelings and our knowing and our faith. And then we can go to, you know, other realms and really feel what's going on because we don't live in a 3D world anymore. Probably more D world. 

A: Right. Yeah. Maybe say a little bit about that because you alluded to that earlier, just the way that you notice that collectively people's intuition, right, and their inner knowing is really like accentuated. 

It's coming online. You know, what do you think kind of for humanity, for what we're kind of headed into? You know, why are these tools that you're speaking to so essential for actually working with that new awareness? 

I: That's a good question. Very deep. Well, I think that as a human consciousness, a lot of the reason why things seem so chaotic right now and divisive is that we all get to know that this isn't what's feeling right in our body anymore. Like the purpose anymore. 

So we get to make a conscious decision to shift. And I like to say to a more loving, more, which is a higher vibration and frequency. Love is, you know, a very high vibration. Are we in that? No, but we get to notice are we when we are in it and when we're not in it. We get to make choices. 

Let's just say we stay in it like 30%. Maybe we go to more light vibration inside of us and have more of a sensation of that. And then we start to our bodies start to shift vibrationally. The frequency of our body starts to shift and we become more in line. But I think that our goal is to shift as a human race, our consciousness. So if you shift and I shift, people around you shift also. So let's just say you're too young for this, but they used to have this Perl commercial that they would say, if you tell one person and you tell another person that would geometrically. 

A: Oh yeah, like the exponential. Sponential. 

I: You know, so if I hold that space of light and frequency, a higher frequency, and I talk to 100 people around me and they have that experience and they start to understand it and they get it. It doesn't even matter if they understand me or get me. The mere fact that I'm holding that energy, I believe people gravitate to that energy and they and those people are able to see it and hold it into in an unconscious way. It's not necessarily conscious. It's hard to hold that. I mean, I feel like people are really getting conscious lately because they are seeing the difference and this isn't working. Yeah. 

The world is not working. So we get to bring, by bringing ourselves up, we're allowing other people to have that experience and shift and then they're going to shift 200 people and they're going to shift 300 people, you know what I mean? And people who find your podcasts are already shifting. Yeah. They're already on their path and they're already shifting. So this might solidify a lot of it, but then, Bandy, it's not, we don't stop in time. Yeah. 

A: It's that spiral, kind of that spiral that I was speaking about earlier, like what you're describing fits that perfectly, you know, because the other thing I want to say here is that sometimes when we are, and I'm speaking from my past experience here, so no shade to anybody who can relate to this because I'm speaking from myself too, but we accidentally be in that higher vibration while we're denying our humanity and we're putting down those low vibrations of fear and anger and all those emotions that we deem too unpleasant, those flavors of life. And when other people come in contact with spiritual people like that, it can be very triggering because it's like they feel or they sense, without even realizing it, that their own humanity isn't okay. 

But then when you start to become more integrated, like with what you've been doing and what you're up to now, where you are in that space of higher vibration while being with your human self, while being with the injured child inside of you, and now you're stepping out into the world with that, and even just that awareness that comes from having not done that, having not been in that holistic place. Now there's an opportunity for other people unconsciously to feel more accepting of themselves while having like a little taste of those higher vibrational energies to see what's possible. 

I: Well, in relationship to what you're saying, it's not like, oh, they're there and we're here. Right. I like that because we experience a full spectrum of these behaviors too. Like we go from low, low frequent, I mean, I do. 

Oh yeah. There's days when I just sit in that really hateful vibration. Funky feeling. Yeah. And I know better. And I get to go in and look again. 

So what's, I mean, we're being shown these frequencies, but we're also being shown a whole spectrum of them. Right? Yeah. We get to have compassion for ourselves when we go there and compassion when we see it also. Right. And other people. And other people are in ourselves because it's opening ourselves up to the path to the higher frequencies. Right? It's opening ourselves up. 

Yes. And we get, and that's the path we're following. And that's the path I call nourishment because what else is it besides joy and nourishment? But I would never, I was always trained not to accept that part of me. But we can't go out in the world and not accept what's going on right now or close our eyes and not see it. And because everything's affecting us differently. So we get to be part of the change. Who said that? We get to be part of the change in life. Yeah. 

A: Yeah. And so, you know, the feeling I'm getting here is just that the value of both sides of that experience, like your experience that you had being, you know, in this etheric or, you know, higher vibrational space, but not in your, you know, humanity. And then now integrating those pieces, I can see that there was nourishment and value in the time that you and I spent denying our humanity. Like that actually was part of the process. Right. 

I: And when it comes to food, how many of us beat ourselves? Food was the best gift. Our food behavior, how we do food, is the best gift that we have ever had. You know, we get mad at ourselves, we get mad at our bodies, we're angry at our bodies, we can't diet. Well, we weren't meant to diet. Part of the whole nourishment process is to expand and give us more nourishment and give us more light. So us being angry at ourselves every time we eat, oh my God, it's such a disservice to us. 

And we're not just angry at ourselves. The food is the gift. Whatever the relationship we had with food is the gift it protected us. It protected us. It allowed us to learn more about ourselves. It allowed us to hide when we needed to hide because survival is really hard. So food and our behaviors around food and our bodies and everything is the gift. It's the gift. 

A: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I always tell people the years that I spent with my limited diet and allergic to dairy, gluten, and soy and being half the time vegan and vegetarian because I was immersed in the yoga world and that was just how you did it, you know what I mean? There was so much stress in my life about food, but there were gifts that came out of that too. Now, if I have somebody who has food sensitivities or is vegan or whatever, I can make something for them for dinner. 

And I can also make, I've got this wide array of different ways of cooking and providing food for different kinds of people. And I also have a less judgment about both ends of the spectrum, whether you're someone who's like gung-ho meat eater or whether you're a hardcore vegan, I get it. I get both ends of it. And I have this flexibility that I wouldn't have had if I didn't have to go through all of that noise and all of that distress, you know? 

I: Including you accept all of these things about you, which is the great gift that we have. Can you imagine if we didn't have food? What if we didn't have food? Or what if we didn't have that relationship with food that made us feel safe? Food makes us feel safe, right? And we eat some of us binge, some of us eat a lot because there's not enough food in the world to make us feel safe. 

A: Right, because that safety needs to start being generated from within as well. Right, and when you have, you know, diversifying your tools. And I love what you're saying because, you know, food is part of like my six month program. We have a somatic food conversation. And like, we are exploring it from a bunch of different angles, including like, you know, how is this, you know, thing that you're vilifying, the overeating, the binging, this particular food that you think you need to stop eating, how is it actually serving you? 

How has it actually been providing for you? And can we diversify once you identify, oh, this is how I'm giving myself fun. I don't have enough fun in my life. The fun I have is eating a bag of popcorn at the end of a long day. 

You know what I mean? Like, okay, well, let's think of ways that you can give yourself more fun in your life, so that it's not only, you know, eating a, you know, entire bag of popcorn, that's the way you have fun. You know, that's a legitimate way that you've been having fun. Let's not take that away from you. You need fun. Popcorn's fun. Let's find other ways you can also have fun. 

I: We know once we have that voice that says, okay, don't do it. Don't eat this, don't eat that. You can't have too much. Oh, I ate too much. When we have that voice going on, our body is designed to rebel against that. Oh, yeah. That's me. 

I don't have, yeah. So we, we get to come to an okay state in our body and okay state in our mind and soul and spirit that, okay, I'm okay with this. I'm okay with it. No matter what we do, we get to be okay when it comes to food, right? 

A: Yeah, I love that. I agree 100%. My body will, like, my consciousness, if I tell myself, and I know this from 10 years of doing this to myself, if I give myself rules and I tell myself I can't eat that, I might be able to, like, do it for a little while and then I'm just going to, like, go the opposite direction. You know, so sometimes people ask me when they see the kind of food that I'm eating, they're like, oh, are you vegan? 

And it's like, well, a lot of the food that I eat is plant-based and I don't, you know, some, sometimes I don't eat animal products for long periods of time. But if I feel like eating a piece of chicken, if I want to have a piece of birthday cake and there's eggs in it, I am not going to deny myself that because I know that it doesn't work out for me to do that. It doesn't feel good. It doesn't feel nourishing. I need to have the freedom to eat what I feel like eating while acknowledging, like, what my body really wants and needs. Right. 

I: And just knowing that, like, in the back of our head and the voice is like, I'm not going to have that if I want. Maybe we said, all right, you know, I don't really want it right now. We have a different choice perspective. Yeah. 

Totally. The goal of this nourishment path, too, is to really make choices that are based internally for what our body is really craving. And we don't have a story around it that like reformulates the food. Like maybe the food, I think, I believe like food takes on, if we sit there and say, oh, this is bad, this is bad, it almost takes on an acidic, more acidiveness to it. And our body can't even metabolize it because we have so wrong after we eat it that it's affecting every part of our body. We don't realize how much if we had some kind of imaging device that we could realize what that food we ate after the words we said about it happened, that would be, we got to come up with that. That would be awesome. 

A: I mean, I'm so great to see that real time because it's true. I mean, I made myself with the food allergies I had. It took me a while to decondition myself from believing, oh, if somebody told me this has soy sauce in it, I'm allergic to soy. I ate a little bit of it. That means I'm going to be sick. And did I create that? 

My body is very powerful. It can create nausea. It can create tightness in my throat after eating something that I found out had soy sauce in it. What happened when I started somatically releasing, right, and releasing the patterns and the beliefs of the unclenching of that fear pattern is like, oh, I ate something with soy sauce in it. Let's see what happens instead of I already know what's going to happen. Right? 

I: That's key. That's key. Yeah. 

A: Wonderful. This is such an exciting conversation. I'm so excited for people to hear this podcast. Maybe as we're winding down the conversation here, you've created the app, right, in this process. What are some of the other ways that you're coming out with a book? There you go. 

I: My book cover, let me see if you can see it. It's called Nourish. It's getting lined up right now. And I have two other books that I've written. Also, one is called Eat Your Words. It's talking about the words that we would say to ourselves. It's a story of a woman that's talking about words that she would say to herself. So she would, you know, in her relationship with food. 

And BOD Behavior is a discussion on a lot of different modalities, including a lot of therapeutic ways to deal with any kind of food behaviors, which is interesting to see what's out there. So these are books that are already out? These are books that are already out. Okay. So BOD Behavior and Eat Your Words, they're on Amazon already. But my Nourish app, I'm actually giving you, we're going to give you a link for a free one month, you know, application for people to listen to the app. 

And I would listen to as many as I can in that one month period and really see what shifts in your life. I believe it's super powerful. And if they ever want to work with me one on one, I have a site called, it's my name, isabel-kyara-c-i-a-r-a dot com. And they could just go, there's a lot of fun stuff and they're included in a lot of interviews and a lot of my books are on there. So it's a full source website. 

A: Fantastic. Yeah. Well, definitely check out the app, everybody. Go into the show notes, get that one month, and start playing with this stuff. Start, you know, experiencing some of the things that Isabel and I have been talking about today in terms of reconnecting, right? And bringing back that sense of nourishment and power in your life. If you were to give our audience like, kind of like a final few words of wisdom, do you have anything that's coming forward to say? 

I: Wherever you are in the path of nourishment, you are in the right spot. And it expands itself. And as long as you start to look at yourself and on the path of nourishment, you begin to feel wonderful, great. And you continue on it because how can you not feel so good? 

A: Oh, yeah, I love this. It feels very aligned with the, you know, the modality that I do and just the way that we're, you know, you're using a very gentle, loving way to invite people to connect with themselves, right? That we don't have to make changes through force or through denial or through what's the, I'm mostly opposite of nourishment would be like deprivation, right? We don't have to choose the path of deprivation. We can choose the path of nourishment. Restriction. 

I: Restriction. Right. We don't have to restrict ourselves in our life. We get to come out and be fully who we are, including making our own choices, feeling empowered in the world. That's what it's all about. You know, we didn't come here to like be small. 

A: Yeah, be small and follow rules. 

I: Yeah. 

A: Love it. Well, it's been such an amazing conversation. Connect with Isabel. Look in the show notes, find her app, find her website, and any other social media links. And we will be in conversation because I feel like there's a lot more that we have to share. 

I: We get to thank you. 

A: Yeah, thank you. 

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